(前篇提要) 從誠品搬回來八本書~ 其一原因，是為了換kubrick熊 =p 陰差陽錯，錢事花了，卻只換了兩隻小熊。
(書單內容)
信義收穫：
雜誌三本
1. 《musik》 December
http://www.books.com.tw/exep/prod/magazine/mag_retail.php?item=R030015002
被"大師的告別音樂會"與霍洛維茲所吸引，本來打算在書店裡把想看的部分看完，結果，只是看了一點點卻連之前幾個月的份也想搬回家 =p
2. 《pen 》(日文文藝設計雜誌) 1 December
http://www.books.com.tw/exep/prod/magazine/mag_retail.php?item=J030013294
pen 是我很喜歡的雜誌，range 很大，令我認識很多東西，這一期的"攝影"，更是深深吸引著我，剛剛為找出那個 link，發現 2009 年一月是一號跟十五號合併的，要去旭日找找看有沒有預購 =p
3. 暫時找不出 link 來 :p (後再詳寫)
日本翻譯小說兩本 (後再詳寫)
為什麼會選擇日文翻譯小說而不是其他暢銷書呢? 說起來真是諷刺，唸翻譯的我非常討厭閱讀翻譯作品，因為我總覺得原文是最原汁原味的。能看懂原文的人，為什麼不看原文呢?
選擇日文翻譯小說還有一個原因，隨着我慢慢進步的日文，我開始閱讀日文書(雖然都是些青少年讀本或圖文書)，也開始找中譯本來參考 :p 難度比較高的一些小說，我都是先看中文，再看日文，再查字典的，我覺得這是最有效訓練"閱讀理解"的方法，就像小時候的"中英雙語版" ^_^
當時很想買一本日文的文型辭典，但沒有 (因為信義的"每層樓結賬"其實很麻煩而且有一點讓人懊惱)，臨走的時候發現了一本很可愛的書，即時給放到購物籃中:
《Debussy 您說是印象派音樂? ─ 德布西的室內樂與管弦樂》
http://www.books.com.tw/exep/prod/booksfile.php?item=0010421976
Debussy 是我轉跟黃老師學鋼琴後才真正認識的音樂家，也至此成了我的最愛。以前只是在音樂課中老師有提過，不過我的老師肯定不喜愛他或對他沒有研究，對他的講解就是書中的"印象派音樂"，沒有其他的附註。從前陳老師要我練的都很奇怪，考試要彈三首曲風不一樣的歌，別人練巴哈，我是韓德爾；每個彈琴的人都熟練的莫札特，我是換老師後(也就是準備 diploma時)才"開始"練起來；別人練蕭邦，她要我練舒曼；致令我"彈琴"的感覺很"獨特"，黃老師於是要我好好認識 Debussy，把 Debussy 成為我的看家本領，就像李雲迪的蕭邦一樣 (這樣說好像有點那個，不過就這個意思)~ 好好認識一個音樂家，我的方法就要把人家的事跡連家事通通查說來，這樣才能感受寫歌者的心情吧! 所以，拜給書名囉! =)
敦南收穫：
1. 《海上教堂》
http://www.eslite.com/product.aspx?pgid=1001116041818725
2. 《陪妳到最後》
http://www.books.com.tw/exep/prod/booksfile.php?item=0010413238
我本來是想看他另外一本書 The Widower, 但想想先看這本也不錯，而且，從譯者簡介來看，應該是直接從荷蘭文翻譯成中文的，有點期待。
3. 日文文型辭典 (暫時找不出 link 來)
4. 《Shantaram》
http://www.books.com.tw/exep/prod/booksfile.php?item=F010365737
我承認我很膚淺，人家 2005 年已出版的書，我到今年，因為 Johnny Depp 要拍戲才知道，才會有"去買原文來看"的衝動 :p
5. 暫時找不出 link 來
以上就是我的聖誕書單了! ^_^
第一本開始的是《陪你到最後》- 已完成 80%，剛開始看的時候，寫到"病徵"時，我真的好想去看醫生，因為之前的醫生沒有告訴我，腺體發炎可引發 cancer. (是引發嗎? 反正就是本來只是發炎，嚴重的話卻會是 cancer，這是我所理解的) 至現在 80%，讀起來沒有推薦說的那麼感動，或許是因為我一邊看一邊恐慌，有時也會"對號入座"一番 :p 也許這一本書本來就比較適合"身邊都是健康的人"的人閱讀吧! 不過能夠那麼坦誠開放的相處，真的很好，令我更明白我家的"坦誠開放"是源於那一點點的荷蘭血統 =) [真的喔! 我的太婆是荷蘭人喔!]
不過下一次 The Widower, 我想看英文的，好像比較好"翻譯"，這個中譯本讀起來怪怪的，極度歐化 =p
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Monday, November 20, 2006
Brokeback Mountain and its Chinese Translation
(moved here)
16/11/2006
As you may remember, I've taken a course about Readings in Translation. No assignments, unless you take the readings as assignment. No test, no midterms but Term Paper. It may sound a bit strange to my 'Engineering' friends 'coz almost all engineering courses involve assignments... i.e. Practical subject that you have to practice!!! For Arts subject, I found it quite popular for master level courses. Anyway, not going to talk about this.
My Paper is now on Cicada by Mr. Lin Huai-min but my first choice was originally Brokeback Mountain. I didn't work on it finally 'coz I really don't like the Chinese version from the first few lines and I don't want to have a Paper with "bias".
My classmate presented her Paper on Brokeback Mountain last night and she showed a clip of the movie too! It was soooooo nice! :D Her points are great too... detailed but personally I won't do it that way. I'm not sure if she deliberately miss out the most important feature of the language used in Brokeback Mountain (and in fact the whole Wyomin stories) but I would definitely work on it if I would have done this! ^_^ It is about the "Wyomin" accents! You could never see the word "of" appears inside the dialouges; you could only see a single letter "a". The single letter "a" appears almost every single sentence inside the dialogue replacing words like "of" "out" "an" and etc. This is an attempt to immitate the Wyoming accents. (though it's quite obvious but it is also from an interview from Annie Proulx) So how this "cowboy" (= lower class) accents be translated to Chinese?
Related to the "colloquial" languages, the "cowboy" and the "homo" imply a very strong "US culture" and it is extraordinary trivial that homo associated with cowboy is a sign of discrimination. So how these can be reflected in Chinese?
These are what I would very much like to hear from my dear classmate but I didn't have the answers last night. Rather, she made a very detailed study on the degress of translation like "over" or "under" in terms of mainly "tone" and "style". She quoted one example that I couldn't agree anymore!!!!
"You're too much for me, Ennis, you son of a whoreson bitch. I wish I knew how to quit you."
** my note: see? how beautiful the language is! my classmate said she thought it was the most beautiful part / sentence in the whole story! ** my note: Agree! Not only the language but also the tone and the way Annie put it into a sentence. And it is sooooo "visible" to the reader. A simple sentence like that "phrases" Jack's character soooooo much! So it should be a very difficult task to translate this into Chinese and the translator did a very bad job. My classmate said she thought it was the most badly translated part!!!!!!
「你對我太重要了，恩尼司，你這個賤貨婊子養大的雜種。要是我知道怎樣戒掉你就好了。」
天喔！怎麼會是"戒掉"!!! 人家 "quit you" 是很有意境的！人們說「quit smoking」是戒煙，重點不是放在"戒"而是"為甚麼要戒?"，因為"addicted to it" 所以要"戒"所以是"quit"。這裡是對人說"quit you"，引申的意義是"addicted to you (so much) that I could not control myself anymore"，所以 Jack 說"I wish I knew how to quit you"，句式是"I wish + past tense (knew)"，所以我們知道是"不可能"發生的！所以中譯的「要是我知道怎樣戒掉你就好了」是錯(應該說是不完全正確)的演繹。雖然在漢語中這一句也帶有「我現在不知道，希望以前就知道」的意思，但它沒有完全否定以後是否知道，在某一些場景它也可以理解為"對明天抱有一絲希望"。但在英文中"I wish + past tense (knew)"的句式是用來表達「完全不可能 0%」的場景，e.g. 最經典的例子是"I wish I were a bird"！ Jack 的意思不是說"要是我知道就好了"而是"我沒可能把你戒掉"。但「戒掉」一詞還是很"不搭調"。他的意思是「他完全迷溺於對 Ennis 的感情，無法自跋」意境是超級漂亮的！ 中譯本把那個情調、 那個意境通通殺掉！說情調，"You're too much for me" 是非常棒的一句，但中文的「你對我太重要了」完全不對。英文中的"You're too much for me"，"too much" implies "I can't stand it anymore"，有「我不能承受」之意 (在這裡它更有"我再不能承受了"之意)，跟「你對我太重要了」相差甚遠。還有那句"whoreson bitch"也是非常過份的翻譯。雖然 cowboy 是 lower class，用詞比較粗鄙，但你會對着你愛的人說「你這個賤貨婊子養大的雜種」嗎? 恐怕這個在華語系社會中都不太能說通吧！
That's why my classmate said it was "太過份了". True... if you love the original Brokeback Mountain, especially appreciate the language of the story, you would definitely have the same response as we did. (yup... my "comment" is also "太過份了")
Just to share with you guys an example... I may study it in greater details later after I've finished my own Papers... and may be posting some of my ideas.
16/11/2006
As you may remember, I've taken a course about Readings in Translation. No assignments, unless you take the readings as assignment. No test, no midterms but Term Paper. It may sound a bit strange to my 'Engineering' friends 'coz almost all engineering courses involve assignments... i.e. Practical subject that you have to practice!!! For Arts subject, I found it quite popular for master level courses. Anyway, not going to talk about this.
My Paper is now on Cicada by Mr. Lin Huai-min but my first choice was originally Brokeback Mountain. I didn't work on it finally 'coz I really don't like the Chinese version from the first few lines and I don't want to have a Paper with "bias".
My classmate presented her Paper on Brokeback Mountain last night and she showed a clip of the movie too! It was soooooo nice! :D Her points are great too... detailed but personally I won't do it that way. I'm not sure if she deliberately miss out the most important feature of the language used in Brokeback Mountain (and in fact the whole Wyomin stories) but I would definitely work on it if I would have done this! ^_^ It is about the "Wyomin" accents! You could never see the word "of" appears inside the dialouges; you could only see a single letter "a". The single letter "a" appears almost every single sentence inside the dialogue replacing words like "of" "out" "an" and etc. This is an attempt to immitate the Wyoming accents. (though it's quite obvious but it is also from an interview from Annie Proulx) So how this "cowboy" (= lower class) accents be translated to Chinese?
Related to the "colloquial" languages, the "cowboy" and the "homo" imply a very strong "US culture" and it is extraordinary trivial that homo associated with cowboy is a sign of discrimination. So how these can be reflected in Chinese?
These are what I would very much like to hear from my dear classmate but I didn't have the answers last night. Rather, she made a very detailed study on the degress of translation like "over" or "under" in terms of mainly "tone" and "style". She quoted one example that I couldn't agree anymore!!!!
"You're too much for me, Ennis, you son of a whoreson bitch. I wish I knew how to quit you."
** my note: see? how beautiful the language is! my classmate said she thought it was the most beautiful part / sentence in the whole story! ** my note: Agree! Not only the language but also the tone and the way Annie put it into a sentence. And it is sooooo "visible" to the reader. A simple sentence like that "phrases" Jack's character soooooo much! So it should be a very difficult task to translate this into Chinese and the translator did a very bad job. My classmate said she thought it was the most badly translated part!!!!!!
「你對我太重要了，恩尼司，你這個賤貨婊子養大的雜種。要是我知道怎樣戒掉你就好了。」
天喔！怎麼會是"戒掉"!!! 人家 "quit you" 是很有意境的！人們說「quit smoking」是戒煙，重點不是放在"戒"而是"為甚麼要戒?"，因為"addicted to it" 所以要"戒"所以是"quit"。這裡是對人說"quit you"，引申的意義是"addicted to you (so much) that I could not control myself anymore"，所以 Jack 說"I wish I knew how to quit you"，句式是"I wish + past tense (knew)"，所以我們知道是"不可能"發生的！所以中譯的「要是我知道怎樣戒掉你就好了」是錯(應該說是不完全正確)的演繹。雖然在漢語中這一句也帶有「我現在不知道，希望以前就知道」的意思，但它沒有完全否定以後是否知道，在某一些場景它也可以理解為"對明天抱有一絲希望"。但在英文中"I wish + past tense (knew)"的句式是用來表達「完全不可能 0%」的場景，e.g. 最經典的例子是"I wish I were a bird"！ Jack 的意思不是說"要是我知道就好了"而是"我沒可能把你戒掉"。但「戒掉」一詞還是很"不搭調"。他的意思是「他完全迷溺於對 Ennis 的感情，無法自跋」意境是超級漂亮的！ 中譯本把那個情調、 那個意境通通殺掉！說情調，"You're too much for me" 是非常棒的一句，但中文的「你對我太重要了」完全不對。英文中的"You're too much for me"，"too much" implies "I can't stand it anymore"，有「我不能承受」之意 (在這裡它更有"我再不能承受了"之意)，跟「你對我太重要了」相差甚遠。還有那句"whoreson bitch"也是非常過份的翻譯。雖然 cowboy 是 lower class，用詞比較粗鄙，但你會對着你愛的人說「你這個賤貨婊子養大的雜種」嗎? 恐怕這個在華語系社會中都不太能說通吧！
That's why my classmate said it was "太過份了". True... if you love the original Brokeback Mountain, especially appreciate the language of the story, you would definitely have the same response as we did. (yup... my "comment" is also "太過份了")
Just to share with you guys an example... I may study it in greater details later after I've finished my own Papers... and may be posting some of my ideas.
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